How Dr. Minette Riordan’s Journey Inspired a Midlife Renaissance


[00:00:00] Made Remarkable Intro: Welcome back. And thanks for tuning into the made remarkable podcast, hosted by Kellee Wynne. In today's episode, Kellee is talking with the inspiring Dr. Minette Riordan. To discuss the power of mindset and finding vitality in midlife. 

Minette shares her journey of reinvention from being a college professor to building a successful business. 

And now focusing on empowering women. To reconnect with their voice, vision, and purpose. Check out the show notes and transcripts for more information about Minette. Exclusive promotional offers and any special links mentioned during the episode. 

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[00:01:04] Kellee Wynne: Well, hello. Hello. I'm Kellee Wynne, artist, author, mentor, fiercely independent mother and wife, and the founder of a multiple six figure creative business. And I love my life, but I've been where you're at. I was slogging away at this art business thing for more than a decade. Once I finally connected with my true calling, unlock the magic of marketing and built a system that could scale, while I realize I can make an impact and make a substantial income, I'm finally running a business that I love and it makes all the.

Difference in the world. My biggest dream is to help you do the same. Let this podcast be the catalyst to your biggest success. You already have it in you because you are made remarkable.

Hi Minette. 

[00:01:53] Dr. Minette Riordan: Hi Kellee. 

[00:01:55] Kellee Wynne: It's nice to meet you again.

[00:01:57] Dr. Minette Riordan: It is so nice to spend time with you. And thanks for having me on your show today. Super excited to be here. 

[00:02:03] Kellee Wynne: Yeah. Well, we got to connect once before and we hit it off really well because we have a lot of similar ideology and how we love to help, how we love to serve. And you and I both have a big passion for business and marketing, which is really cool.

Yeah. Even though our main vehicle tends to be teaching people how to create, there's still this like fiery passion about building a business. So a hundred percent, I would love for you to tell us just who you are and how you got to where you are. And apparently you're the queen of being able to reinvent yourself.

Yeah. Cool. 

[00:02:42] Dr. Minette Riordan: For sure. Yeah, I'm really good at that. About every eight to ten years, I go through a phase of, okay, I'm done with that. What's next? Typical serial entrepreneur, creative, right? I get bored with things. So to give you just the sort of quick highlights, I thought I was going to be a college professor for the rest of my life.

I have a PhD from Stanford in Spanish. My specialty was 19th and 20th century Latin American poetry. And I thought that was what was going to happen. And I didn't get hired right out of grad school by a university. I got hired by a private high school for troubled teens, which just set me on a whole beautiful life path.

It's a longer story. And then when I got ready to start a family and I had my first two kids, Connor was three Maggie was one they're in their 20s now, I was so bored. I was not a good stay at home mom, Kelly and I love my kids like parenting has been My greatest gift and my greatest challenge, and I love my kiddos, but being a stay at home was not for me.

And I bow down and honor those women who just so are able to embrace that. It was not my path. So I started a parenting magazine, knowing nothing about entrepreneurship, nothing about how hard it would be. I had a friend of my mom's that had a similar publication gift me the concept and the template. And I just dove in thinking, well, how hard can it be?

And as you know, starting a business is really hard, but I, it is, I did that for 10 years and I grew up from a tiny quarterly publication to a monthly magazine where we were printing 50, 000 copies a month distributed all over the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. And then I got tired of it. My kids got tired.

I told you I love marketing. I love meeting people and connecting. My kids got older. I wasn't as in touch with what those moms of preschoolers and elementary kids needed anymore. So I actually had someone come in and basically intern with me a year and then she took over the business. Now, this was in 2009, 2010, when everything was crashing, print media was completely imploding, it was a really rough time.

It was amazing we survived that without having to file for bankruptcy, but we didn't. And we converted it all to digital long before our clients were ready. It was right when digital websites and digital magazines were really a thing. So it was a really fascinating transition to help educate our clients that were like ballet schools and preschools and dance schools and gymnastics and all those kind of kid related programs, help them understand how digital could serve them.

They were still going to get the same impact. So it was a fascinating time. Walked away from that. So in my big reinventions usually include a big move So we sold our house. We packed up our kids sold the business moved to Santa Barbara, California Where I sort of got pulled into business coaching for a decade people are like you're so good at business You're so good at marketing and sales.

I follow the money followed 10 years and then I'm like And I can't do this anymore. I'm bored. I, you know, this is like not where my heart and my passion are. And we were empty nesters with a huge house. My bedroom three bathroom house in Santa Barbara, California, and my husband was in a miserable job. He was not happy in.

So I transitioned my business to what I'm doing now. We sold our big house, cashed out at the top of the market and moved to Loveland, Colorado. And we've been here just a year. So I'm. Like the fascinating part from a business perspective is I had this huge aha that oh my god I'm a baby in business again, right?

Like so there there are people on my list that have gone through all the transitions with me But this is like a new audience a new list right a new community a new focus And it's like, okay, back to basics, right? Like who are my ideal clients? What's the right messaging? What is it that they need? Like you, I can geek out on business, but that's been my entrepreneurial path of just sort of following the threads and my heart's desires, and then doing the hard boots on the ground work to get the foundations in place to make each one of those successful in their own way.

[00:07:04] Kellee Wynne: Right, so now what you're doing is focusing in on creativity and, I get the impression it's a lot more about self worth, self knowledge, self empowerment for women in their Mid year. Yeah. Many of us and most of my listeners find 

ourselves in the midlife part. 

[00:07:27] Dr. Minette Riordan: That midlife part. And it's interesting because, I'm sure in your creative audience as well, you know, we have clients of all ages, but mine tend to be 55 plus.

In their sixties and their seventies, I even have one who's in her eighties, who's amazing and they're like, well, we're past midlife, but they're still seekers, right? I think the people that come into our creative communities, they're like us. They value continuous improvement and growth.

But yes, the angle that I approach creativity is artist process. For me, art is one of the most powerful tools for personal growth and self development. It helps us bypass our overthinking, brilliant minds that go straight to the unconscious, to the heart and the gut of what's really going on with us so we can find the truth within and stop being so influenced by everything that's happening outside.

[00:08:16] Kellee Wynne: Yeah, this is true. And that's probably why I've taken up a more concerted practice in probably a lot of what you teach, which is kind of mindful doodling, if anything else to describe it. Like, I spend a lot of time just engaging The heart to the hand and not actually like I am planning on getting back into my whole art practice, but I needed a good solid break after all the building that I've done and all the work that I've done and like all of the teaching that I've done that I just really needed to get back to me.

And so I've spent like a year just working on this practice of creating patterns and mark making and designs. And I don't know where it's going to lead, but what it does for me every day is gets me in a place of calm and an introspection and like, I just feel so much better when I'm actually spending the time to do art that.

Lights me up because sometimes the work I was doing before wasn't really lighting me up because it was work and I'm sure artists know that being an artist is actually work, but finding that peaceful balance has just been so nice. There's just so much that happens at this time in. I'm about to hit 50.

So, so much that happens in this time of life. As the kids are getting older, they're all moving out. I have more time. I'm also facing the fact that 25 years of marriage and I'm looking at a husband that I have to reacquaint myself with again, because we move from parenting young kids to almost like, that fun, free spirited pre kid.

Age again, we have to find that free spirit part. So like there's all these transitions happening. And so I really appreciate that there are dynamic, amazing women like you that are out there helping guide us. 

[00:10:10] Dr. Minette Riordan: They do say that women in midlife are experiencing more transitions. all at once in a short period of time than at any other time in our life.

So I don't know if your parents are still alive, but you add aging parents to the mix. You add all the menopause and hormone and lack of sleep and the body changes that are happening. So, you know, there's so much like happening just within our own little bag of bones here, right. In addition to all the things that are happening out there.

And then. When you add entrepreneurship to that, like there's, we never walk away from it, right? I don't know about you, but even when I'm on vacation, I'm thinking about it. I'm planning my husband, I go to dinner, he works with me. So we're brainstorming about it. So we have to be, you know, make dedicated time to be together in a playful way.

That's not about business. And it's hard because we love it, right? It's not from a workaholic. I mean, I am an overachiever, but it's more from a, Ooh, what could we do about this and what we could try about that? Like we're running successful Facebook ads right now, which is so exciting and took so long to get to the successful Facebook ad place, right?

And it's like, okay, what are we going to try next? This is working. And can we repeat what worked this time? And so, you know, we get really jazzed about talking about all of these things and he's writing now and has a couple of sub stacks he's working on. So there's, you know, lots of conversations and we're reading a lot of the same books and he's coming at that midlife from a different perspective.

And one of the women he follows wrote a great article about, you know, and because we think like business owners. You know, she talks about the four quarters of your life. Yeah, right. And so in that 50 to 75, we're in Q3 of our lives, right? And 75 and beyond, more of us are getting to that Q4. And, you know, when he saw that analogy, and he immediately thought, Oh, like football.

Four quarters of a football game and it, yeah, so I immediately went to TO marketing. It's like q1, q2, but I think it's such an interesting, 

[00:12:20] Kellee Wynne: exactly. That's why I'm like, we're Quarter Q. I'm like, okay, what are we doing in this quarter of the year for business? How do we plan it out? Yeah. But I guess, yeah, you're saying guys might think about footballers. So .

[00:12:33] Dr. Minette Riordan: I know. It's so funny. 

Yeah, it was. It's funny. He's a huge sports fan. And I don't know how I married like the the Canadian guy who loves American football, right? But I did. Um, and and I love him and he loves sports of all kinds, but just that interesting conversation around How do we navigate all that change and I don't know about you, but the number one thing from women that I hear is they're looking in the mirror going, I don't know who I am.

Like when you peel away the, and we never stopped parenting, as you know, 

sometimes the twenties are just as hard as the teens, you know, like we never stopped parenting. 

They've been harder for us. Yeah. The 20s have been harder for us in some big ways than yeah, than the teenage years. 

[00:13:22] Kellee Wynne: Things they never tell you when you have kids.

[00:13:26] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yeah. Or the things your kids tell you in your 20s, right? That they're pissed off about from a lifetime. 

[00:13:32] Kellee Wynne: Oh yeah! Parents tell the dad, you ruined my life. Oh no! Have you gotten that too? 

[00:13:37] Dr. Minette Riordan: Oh yeah, for sure. 

[00:13:40] Kellee Wynne: Doesn't matter how much or how hard you work to try and raise them. Right. No, there's no escaping making mistakes because we are such, you know, I'm, I love being a mom, stay at home mom and raising them.

But it was also very challenging for me, which is why I was always looking for entrepreneurial outlets. I couldn't see myself going to work and leaving and then having the chaos of needing to be home if there was an emergency, but I needed something for myself. So I have always developed that. But and where was I going with?

This was just that. You know what they're saying now, it's like, no matter how hard I worked at being good at what I was doing, and I'm sure I'm not perfect. I know I made mistakes, but like, the house has been filled with love, but you still look back and you're like, oh, my gosh, when your son, when I have 3 boys and they're like.

Oh, mom, no, I'm gonna need to, I'm need, I'm gonna need therapy for a long time to get through. And I'm like, do we all do we, is there no way out of this? Right? 

[00:14:40] Dr. Minette Riordan: We just teased our kids. You know, all along we're like, you know, there's the college fund and there's the therapy fund, right? Right. Because we just know no matter how hard we try.

And my first coaching certification was actually as a parent coach, which was helpful as a parent. I never practiced as a parent coach. That's another story. Um, mostly because parents want you to fix their kids and usually we're the issue, not the kids. Yeah. Um, yeah. And, uh, but both of them are in therapy, right?

Which is great. And you know, it's just, it is what it is. And a lot of the therapy is like personal related to their lives and what's happened to them since like how much has happened since. the few years since they left home, right? Yeah. Like, it's all kind of fascinating to just watch and witness from a little bit of distance.

But it just, it hurts our mama hearts when our kids are hurting. It hurts. 

[00:15:35] Kellee Wynne: Yeah. I'm going through it right now. I'm very fortunate. I still have a close relationship with my kids, but I still know how sometimes disappointed they are that certain things happen and nothing. It was never anyhow.

I'm digressing, but I get what you're saying. 

Honestly, I think what it is is I remember that age is they're going through trying to figure out how to be an adult and provide for themselves and it's hard. So then it's very easy to. To outlet blame to, Oh, it's not fair that I can make this much money and everything costs so much.

So I feel like I'm not getting ahead and, and everyone's ruined the environment and the planet and corporate, blah, blah, blah. 

And, all these things that they feel piled on them rather than anything. And we can't teach them. They have to learn. The only thing they have control over is themselves.

And like you said, As a parent coach, it's difficult because they want you to fix their kid, but what you do. We are our common denominator for everything and this ties all the way back to what you do. We are our common denominator

So, in a relationship, if it's failing, the only thing you can fix is you in a business, if it's failing really almost always, the only thing you can do is fix you. Right. 

[00:16:52] Dr. Minette Riordan: Um, I would say business. Is, is a path of personal growth and if you don't own that from the very beginning, you're going to struggle and fail.

Right? Like I had to grow so much as a parent and become an adult, but as a business owner, holy cow, I had to face every one of my own demons, right? You know, all my fears, my money mindset, right? Those visibility issues. Yeah. 

[00:17:21] Kellee Wynne: Which do you think is harder? This is a great question to have, because I've been wondering this.

I'm like, maybe I'm a little too distant from those exhausting early childhood days, but which is harder? Like, they challenge you in different ways, but I would say that in some ways, parenting is harder. But, but owning a business will push you to grow more.

[00:17:43] Dr. Minette Riordan: I think I was emotionally invested enough in both, and I started my first business when my kids were three and one, so I was just, I was past the sleepless stage, but still in a pretty, they were young, challenging stage, right?

So I, they were kind of equally hard, but I think they, they powerfully challenged me in very different ways. Right? Like I had the same heartstrings attached to my business. that I did to my kids, maybe not the level and the depth, but I don't know that I would compare them to me. They're apples and oranges.

I just know they were both hard and I'm way past those busy, exhausting days of being in business for the first time as well, where I was. You know, the first year to doing all the design for my magazine and all the delivery to the distribution, and trying to be with the kids and be homeroom mom.

And I mean, I was involved in three chambers of commerce. Like I was crazy. I was doing it all, all the time, and then for me, I think one of those hard parts was like Connor was 10. So Maggie was about seven and Brad and I felt so disconnected from each other because I was growing a business.

He was working on his career, we're trying to raise these kids, and we were, our own self care and attention to each other was at the bottom of the list. So I think that trying to do it all at the same time was really challenging

[00:19:11] Kellee Wynne: What about though, the actual business, learning how to build a business and show up, because these are the problems that most people with business have is, showing up being visible, like you said, the money mindset, even knowing that they're worthy of making the income of, of, Asking for the sale, all those kinds of things we go through.

And for some people it's harder than others. I have no doubt about that, but even still the amount of growth that I've seen in myself since building a business and watching through the phases of it being unsuccessful and unprofitable for probably the first half and now 

seeing that that time and distance, the commitment to it has really paid off. And like, I really see myself in a different way than I saw myself before. 

[00:20:02] Dr. Minette Riordan: For sure. So selling advertising in some ways, it was hard and easy cause I had never been in sales before I was way more comfortable doing everything in person. And this was long before cell phones, the internet, any of that.

Right. So, everything was in person and because I'm such a connector doing it. You know, going to the Chamber of Commerce, meeting people for coffee. I just had a flashback to, and because it was a parenting magazine, I would just take my kids. Like, I met somebody to have a sales conversation at a Starbucks and I lost attention of Maggie and I look over, she's standing on top of a table dancing with her dress over her head right in the middle of a Starbucks in her cute little cowboy boots.

Holy moly. I meet people that also had kids at a McDonald's playground, right? So I had some flexibility that didn't make like, I, I've never gotten used to cold calling. I still will not just pick up the phone and cold call someone. Even a girlfriend. I will text and say, Hey, you got time to chat, right?

Like there's definitely a permission thing there that I worked over, but advertising was easy to sell because I could really understand and help articulate the benefits to a business. Of what it meant to advertise and and I had to learn all that I didn't have all that language in the beginning.

Everything was terrifying in the beginning networking like standing up at my first Chamber of Commerce and saying, Hi, I'm this little mom starting this magazine, right? Like all of it was hard. I turned beet red. I was shaking. I started speaking and I would like give a 20 minute talk in five minutes because I was so nervous.

It would go so fast. Like everything was hard in the beginning. And then it got easy and then it got fun and then I sold that and I started selling coaching and I was like right back at ground zero again because selling coaching in the beginning felt like I was selling me. It wasn't a product. It was very personal.

So that's when I really had to learn to do all of the money mindset and the parenting. Magazine was never profitable. We just poured all the money back into the magazine and a lot of shame around that and to heal the shame around that. Like we were grossing lots of money. I wasn't making money. Right.

And so I had to heal that shame. I had to get comfortable with, Hey, this is what I'm selling now and what it looks like. And so for me that, that first five years in my coaching business. In some ways were even harder than the magazine because it was a different time period. Like I just went out and talked to people right all the time and it was really popular really fast.

It was easy. So selling coaching was trickier. And then all of a sudden I'm posting art online and people are like, Hey, can I buy your art? And I'm like, no, just come get it. And my husband one day, he's like, why are you making this so hard? Right. I'm like, Oh, cause it feels hard to sell my art. So I had to, again, go through that growth of, I got to put a price tag on my art and it's still not my primary focus.

I don't need another business, but it's fun when it sells and that makes it easy to put price tags on things. And if I really love them, I just charge more money for them because I don't want to let them go. People always pay the bigger price, as you know, right. Like, it's been a fascinating journey. 

[00:23:26] Kellee Wynne: I mean, totally like we, every time it's another level, we have to break through every time that we look at this and we have to stop and say, now, why am I undervaluing myself?

Where is the block? What have I been told in my lifetime in society about being an artist, about being a creative, about being a coach, about being a woman? Like there's so much that we have to keep digging. And every time there's another layer, like as I'm in my business now with coaching, I have to say, what is the end result?

It's not just the time that they've spent with me. And what am I delivering for them that will change their life? And so I have to like, stop and step back and say, okay, so. Take me out of the equation because I had all this fear around, you know, there's a lot of like, feels like pyramid scheme, multi level marketing coaches, coaching coaches to be coaches and they all just, 

you know, it's this regurgitation of crap 

[00:24:22] Dr. Minette Riordan: and it feels incestuous a lot of times.

[00:24:24] Kellee Wynne: It feels incestuous. It feels like they're preying on people, you know, trying to coerce almost people to, you know, or, they've done such a good job with marketing, which I love marketing, but they've done such a good job with marketing that they're convincing people who don't belong in their programs to spend thousands of dollars.

And so huge blocks for myself saying, can I show up and charge what is appropriate for the., results and still feel good about it and not feel like I'm putting myself into that, nice little pyramid multi level marketing scheme and doing it ethically and consciously and like, I get it and that's, so there's just these big barriers we have to break through each time.

I mean, it's even been that way with selling art in the past. I'm like you, I don't really work too hard at selling my art because that's not my primary income or passion though. I do sell it once or twice a year. I'll have a sale on my artwork, but yeah, I hear it's like every time we go through the next phase.

We have a new demon to face. 

[00:25:30] Dr. Minette Riordan: We do. We do. Yeah. And the other thing about when you start coaching, especially business coaching, like I learned that I had to let go of my attachment to my client's results. And to get over the sense of responsibility when I could see their brilliance, I could see the path.

I could tell him what the path was step by step. Like here's what you do today and tomorrow, but I couldn't do the work for them and I couldn't want it for them. And to me, that's another place of growth as a coach, right? Was that. opportunity to say, you know, cause I don't know about you.

I mean, I've invested in anything from $5000 to $25000 a year coaching programs. I work my ass off. Right. Yeah. 

[00:26:21] Kellee Wynne: Every little penny I spend, I get a result for myself, right? 

[00:26:25] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yeah. Yes. To make it worth that investment and to really benefit from the, the teachings that were shared. And so when I started running, you know, big group programs myself and I'm like, people are paying me all these thousands of dollars and I'm like, okay, something isn't working here.

And. That's like, led me down the mindset path, like no amount of marketing strategy or business planning or time management and organizational skills will make a difference if you don't deal with your mind. 

[00:27:00] Kellee Wynne: I, I mean, a thousand percent. Yes. Like how, how can you make that next move and boldly say this is for sale if you haven't gotten over your crap, it's always coming.

 I have these discussions with them all the time that's like pricing and making the offer. Well, will it be too much to, can I, and I'm just like, what is the value you're showing up with in this world? What is the gift that you're giving someone else, you know, don't say, Hey, if you want to, I mean, I'm sorry to bother you, but you know, you could join my program if you really feel like it, that's not it.

You got to get to the point where. You have a confidence that you can show up and deliver what you've promised so much so that they're like, here, take my money, please. That's where we want to go. Because I've felt that when I'm buying something where I'm so glad to give the money, because I know I'm getting what I want in return.

Right. Right. And so we have to get to that point where we're creating something so good, whether it's an art course, painting, a coaching program that we know our stuff, we're not. beginners at this anymore. We're masters and that's why we're charging the fair price for a master's worth of experience, so.

 That's a whole mindset hurdle, not really a marketing problem at all. 

[00:28:17] Dr. Minette Riordan: It is not a marketing problem, and pricing is a marketing tactic, right? Like pricing has everything to do with it, and yeah, don't get me started, maybe offline we'll go down the rabbit hole. Full of these programs that, that flood you with content and undercharge, because I think they make it hard for a lot of the rest of the people offering high quality live programs.

Because you also do have to take into account what the market is charging, right? And figure out where you are in relation to that and be able to clearly articulate the value when your price is higher. So, it's all, it's fascinating to me and it's a game. Right. It definitely is a bit of a game.

[00:28:59] Kellee Wynne: That's why we stick with it because we're always like, when you say, Oh, I admit that I spend my evenings talking about and dreaming up the next day for the business, but why is that? Because. In some ways, it's just as fun as like binge watching a TV show. I mean, like planning with my notebook or having a long conversation with a like minded person that can really help push you to that next place.

And you're dreaming up all kinds of wild ideas that you don't see other people doing. And you're like, that was a high worth doing. I don't need a drink. I don't need drugs. I don't need to jump outta planes. 

[00:29:37] Dr. Minette Riordan: Like that's definitely not. No jumping out of planes like yeah, I learned a long time ago like I'm pretty comfortable taking business risk And emotional risk, but not physical risk like you won't find me jumping out of planes or bungee jumping or doing ropes courses like no thank you very much.

[00:30:00] Kellee Wynne: I like a little bit of physical challenge but I'm with you on the jumping out of planes don't need it. 

[00:30:05] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yeah, well, physical challenge for me could be, you know, going and hiking a mountain in Rocky Mountain National Park, right? Or running another half marathon that I haven't done in a decade, right?

Like, those are good individual challenges. Yeah. 

[00:30:18] Kellee Wynne: And then when I take that concept and just think about where The work is within the business. It's kind of the same thing that a lot of people don't realize. It's not like you can just run that marathon or climb to the top of the mountain without the training.

Yep. I don't know why. We feel like it should just come or the, the adage of if you build it, they will come, which is ridiculous, but that's for everything in our life. It's going to take work and practice and learning and training and reiterating. Like, if I couldn't beat the time that I wanted to beat, then what do I need to do the next time?

Right? That's a physical fitness analogy to, you know, how do we show up for our business?

[00:31:00] Dr. Minette Riordan: I love that. And one of the lessons that I learned along the way was the piece about iterations. As a creative, I was so good at, well, let's just create something new. Well, that didn't work. Let me go create something else new instead of pausing long enough to go.

Why didn't this work? Did I really not listen to my audience and really dig into what it was they wanted? Cause there's times when we create the thing that we want or need, there's not always the audience for that. Right. And so for me, learning to iterate has been so important to stick with something.

Like I stuck with a publishing company and a magazine for a decade and it changed and grew, but the basics of it stayed the same. And then all of a sudden in my coaching business, I'm like throwing spaghetti at the wall. Let me try this. Let me try that. And I see a lot of newer business owners doing that where they're throwing spaghetti at the wall, trying the things like find your thing and stick with it.

And this is why I'm so passionate about making sure. Creative entrepreneurs have a hobby or an interest outside of the work, just like you were saying your mindful duty doodling. My painting practice is my personal private thing. I love to paint big. I love to paint. It is not the thing I teach. It's not the thing that I sell.

It's, you know, not the thing that, if I posted a painting and people are like, will you teach me how to do that? And I'm like, no, Right? And this is mine. I, I don't even think I could teach you how to do that, but I think it's so essential that we have practices and interests. Like I've become a slow stitching junkie, just saying, I think it is so much fun and I love bookmaking, like so much fun.

Those aren't the things I teach, right? They're the things that I do just for me. And I think the thing that keeps me present in the structure of my business is to make sure I have other creative outlets. So I don't feel like I have to give all of my creative energy and inspiration to my business that it's okay to have that outside my business.

[00:33:04] Kellee Wynne: This is something that I am slowly but surely learning because once you start teaching art, it's really easy to say, Oh, I learned this. Like, this is another skill that I have or another thing that I know how to do that people are asking. I can just turn anything into the next course to sell.

And what happens is, is then you're burdened with way too many options to teach and not a whole lot of time to actually develop the next idea for yourself, right? And so, making a little bit of a division of what you're willing to teach, what you're willing to coach about, what you're willing to show up of, and then what you have just for yourself really is.

It's only taken me how long to get to that point, but I'm getting there. And that's also part of that personal development and mindset to know that not everything I do needs to be monetized. That's what it comes down to. 

[00:33:55] Dr. Minette Riordan: Not everything. That's a cultural belief. Yeah, it is very much a cultural belief that we get very caught up in.

Like I remember my mom, you know, so my mom has a MFA in sculpture and ceramics. And I would look at something and want to buy it and she's like, oh, don't buy that. I could just make it for you. Or that question of, oh my gosh, that's so pretty, you could sell that. And I'm like, it's okay for it just to be something pretty I created for myself to hang on a wall or stick in a journal and to let go of our need.

Just because we can monetize it doesn't mean we have to. 

[00:34:29] Kellee Wynne: Oh, so important. Really, honestly, and it's my Gen Z kids that are saying that to me that are like, mom, you don't have to monetize everything. Can I just enjoy this? I'm like, yeah, realize how good you are at that thing that you do. And they're like, stop.

And it's really interesting because there is a lot of push and the growth of business owners has like quadrupled in the last, like, since the pandemic. It's yeah. 

Yeah, it's crazy how fast it's grown, but at the same time there, there are young people like my kids that are like, I would like to go to work, do the job and come home and not have to think about it.

[00:35:07] Dr. Minette Riordan: My daughter's that way. My son is the entrepreneur. He struggles working for other people and relishes flexibility over everything else. And my daughter's like, I don't want stress. Yeah, the pressure and my kids like I love that, you brought up they are so worried about the environment They're complaining about Minimum wage my son's a bartender Right get paid like a pittance right and he's like, I know I'm worth more than that.

So it's fascinating They're like my daughter's like mom, you know, we're never gonna be able to buy a house 

[00:35:40] Kellee Wynne: I know my kids say that to believe me, my heart breaks and then I work harder to say, well, I got to see how I can help, you know, work for themselves. They take care of themselves. But if I can continue to work hard, also, I can provide more of a safety net if exactly if.

You know, for some reason, yeah, it never 

[00:36:01] Dr. Minette Riordan: gets that right generationally, right? You know, it's like what comes down to us is less than what came to our parents, right? In terms of generational inheritances. And so, yeah, we've set aside money to help the kids with down payments on houses because we think it's so important.

And our financial advisors is a whole different conversation down a rabbit hole. Or like, you know, real estate's not the investment that it used to be. You're better off investing money, right. And letting that money work and earn for you instead of, because we were going to buy our house outright. Like we just didn't want to deal with it.

And they're like, no, you're not, that's not the smartest move. So, you know, all these conversations, right. And I don't know, like how many times during this, our little time together, we come back to money. Right. And to money much at the, at the center of everything as creatives and entrepreneurs and how much we've been taught about either you have to monetize everything or you're a starving artist.

What are you doing wasting your time? You're never going to make a living. So these cultural beliefs, you know, um, they piss me off. I can definitely get on a soapbox and today it's easier than ever to make money. Online as an artist and a creative as an educator, as a coach easier than ever, if you're willing to do the work, 

[00:37:24] Kellee Wynne: right? And then it comes down to, we think that we need to monetize everything we do. So we start to monetize, but then we don't know how to actually make money doing what we do because we were never properly taught. It's not something they teach in school. You could get an MBA and not understand how to build a proper.

Online business now, honestly, there's no, there's no college that can really teach what we do the way we do it. And so really, the only option is trial and error. And I do think that there's a place in the beginning of it is to, to try things and see what sticks and what you don't want to go 20 years into a career and hate it, but there does come a point where you have to narrow your focus and stick with something long enough to figure out how it works.

But why is it? Why well, so, in in the 20 teens. Um, it was like, figure it out yourself, right? It was so much of a mountain to climb to figure out how to build a business because we didn't have quite as much resources. We do. Although people like Marie Forleo and their B school, which lover or not. It still was very valuable through that time period because it was a good entry point for a lot of people.

Yeah, but now we have access to information like we've never had before. But why do we still hesitate to invest in ourselves? Because I heard this and I don't know if you're a fan of Alex Formosy, but I'm a little bit obsessed. I don't know who that is. With his teachings because he's made a business into a hundred million, right?

So I like hearing his point of view, and he's like, what is it costing if you're making 50, 000 right now or you're making whatever you're making, what is it costing you to not be where you want to be? So you've got an art business and you're like me at the peak of my art business, I was maybe making 20, 000 a year.

Right. Of selling. And you know, that minus all of the expenses meant that it was a nice fat tax deduction off of filing jointly with my husband. Right. So that was that advantage. 

As David, my husband said over and over again, he's like, you're working for less than minimum wage. I'm like, this is painful. So what was the cost of me not making six figures was 80, 000.

Yeah. Every year that I didn't know how to make that difference. Right was costing me 80, 000. That's a huge price to pay every year. So why wouldn't I invest in learning what I needed to know in order to get to that point and beyond? And now I'm looking at it and I'm like, great. I'm making a good income.

Multiple 6 figures, but what is it costing me to not make it to a million dollars if that's my goal? And I see nothing wrong making a million dollars or more because what happens is the 

[00:40:11] Dr. Minette Riordan: more you make the less profit you make anyway, right? Like, you know,

[00:40:18] Kellee Wynne: but, but when good people make money, it. It does end up helping a lot more good people.

It does. So in my opinion, 

[00:40:26] Dr. Minette Riordan: we hire people, we grow our teams. Yeah, 

[00:40:29] Kellee Wynne: exactly. So that's why I'm like, I really do believe in coaching. The business industry, the teaching, these skills, if it's done ethically and good and with, with actual proven results and not just a regurgitation of, song and dance on Instagram 

[00:40:47] Dr. Minette Riordan: and also not a, Hey, it worked for me.

It'll work for you. Like, that does not work in the creative industries. Specifically, right? So I think people often get very confused about how do you invest in a coach? How do you know who to choose? And I mean, I do think the ethical part is there. I think our core values need to be front and center all of the time, because what I've noticed is the more I speak out my values, the more I attract those like minded people to me, but also the more conversations that I had with creatives.

Helping them understand there's no one path to get from where you are to where you want to be if you want to get from 20 to 100, there's only your path, there's a series of foundational pieces that need to be in place for any business to succeed. But how that looks in your business is going to be unique.

Right. And I've always been how can we build a lifestyle based businesses lifestyle first. business second so that you don't feel like your business is taking over your whole life, right? And I think what you said was great about, like, you have to be clear about your goals. Like, I used to want to get to a million dollars, and now I'm like, nah, you know, at 58, not so much.

I don't have that same drive. I don't want to have to manage a team again. Right now, it's me, my husband, and my son, and we have plenty of room for growth. With just the three of us, or maybe, you know, one VA, right? If we get a little bit bigger, we'll need one VA, or we'll get to where we hire someone to run the Facebook ads, so there's places where I can see opportunity for growth, but I'm pretty happy with where things are, and so I think really feeling into our own energy is like, how much money would make a difference in your family?

Right? It's like getting to six figures just to get to six figures. Great. It's a goal. And I love being there. Don't get me wrong. Right? I've been there. In every business I've had, I've hit that mark and gone over and I love hitting that mark because that's the point where I get paid. Right. I think people aren't present to even if you're making, 50, 000, you aren't necessarily making money because so much of that is going back out in time, energy supplies, materials, software.

Can we talk like, you know, just business budgets for what we spend for online technology platforms right now. It's like, you know. Whoa, between Zapier and email and teaching platforms and all the things, right? You know, it gets the more you grow. Also, the more expensive it gets to run a business. So I think just being clear about why do you want the money?

Because as soon as I get clear about why I want the money, and I'm very clear why I want to get to that next level for me, then I'm like, okay, let's go. But I think we need that clarity about like, what's going to getting to a million is going to help you establish, help your boys buy houses. It's going to help you, right.

Help them set up a business if they want, like the freedom, it's going to help you retire at 55, like whatever. 

[00:43:49] Kellee Wynne: Or take care of your parents like you were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. There's not that aspect to of midlife where it's like, no one tells you it's the sandwich between helping your kids. Finally grow up and be adults, watching your parents become kids again, because they need so much from you.

No one tells you that until you're in it and you're like, Oh, this would have been nice to know was coming. 

[00:44:14] Dr. Minette Riordan: I don't know if we knew it was coming when, you know, would we have done anything different? 

[00:44:19] Kellee Wynne: No, but I would have been more prepared. I think mentally and, financially, but, and this is all about like. The growth, the human experience, the growth. It is. 

[00:44:29] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yeah. Experience. 100%. 

[00:44:31] Kellee Wynne: I'm with you, like really designing your life around what your, what your wants. And instead of like life taking you on the journey, like, okay, you have no control. And it's just, you know, Have ownership and make some decisions, design it the way you want.

I'd love to talk to you more about how you help women do that. 

[00:44:50] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yeah, for sure. Thank you for asking. So the thing that I'm most passionate about more than anything else is clarity. Like from the time I started coaching business through all the mindset work through doing, you know, people call me their art therapist, but I am not a therapist.

I use art as creative process for self discovery and personal growth. What I find that's missing for people, it's so simple. It's like, they don't know, they don't know what they want. They don't know where they're going. If they do know what they want, they don't know how to get there, so they're completely overwhelmed, or they're trying all the things, or we're just trying to survive as women wearing caregiver roles.

Whether we, willingly adopt those roles or not, we get put into those roles, especially with the aging parent, right? I mean, I chose consciously to be a parent to my children, and I'm invested in that role, and I don't think you really recognize how much is going to be required of you. As you grow. So it's easy to flounder.

How many of us all of a sudden, it's, we're empty nesters. Like when my son left, he's my older, I grieved for weeks. There was this hole in the house. It was the most bizarre thing. By the time my little one left. I'm like, here we go. Right. You know, so I mean, I still grieved and also she's way better at staying at touch, in touch and we're super close.

So there wasn't that same, 

 I think loss of connection as there was with my son anyway. But I think that, you know, all of a sudden, even if we have a successful career and we're really invested in the work that we're doing, things change at home. We're looking at our spouse. We've been, Brad and I've been married almost 30 years, right?

And it's like, do I still like you? Do I still want to travel with you? Do I still want to spend time with you? In my case? Yes. And boy, have we worked our asses off to get there, right? Like we talked about working on our parenting, but man, have I worked on my marriage as well. And if I worked on my business as well, so there's been a lot of working.

And then all of a sudden we have this little bit of breathing room. Before we get too much into the sandwich, and we go, who am I and what do I want? So I help women answer that question of who am I and what do I want? Like I have women in their 60s and 70s that are retired and they still want their life to have meaning and purpose.

Right, right. Like it's not that they need to go build a business, but they want to do something meaningful. I worked with this one woman who retired as an audiologist, and she said I became a collector for six years so she joined the weavers guild and bought looms. big looms and decided she didn't like weaving.

And she bought all the mixed media supplies and the bookmaking and the na na na na na na na. And she's like, I feel like I've just been in collecting mode, but none of it has any meaning or purpose or clarity around what I'm doing with it. And so we really helped her see that her passion is bookmaking and that she's doing this in order to nurture herself, but also to feel like it's meaningful and doing good in her community, whether she's donating the book she makes or selling the book she makes.

That there's a clear path that feels like she's not being buffeted about like a sailboat in the high winds, but that she's moving forward with a lot of intention and purpose. And I mean, look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right? What we all want is that self actualization and we get to the age where we have the money, we have the time for a lot of us.

And that is a place of privilege. I fully honor and acknowledge that. But retirement, all of a sudden we have room to breathe. In our 50s, we have like you, right? The things are changing. You have room to breathe. And then we go, well, holy shit, where'd those last 50 years go? And what's next? 

[00:48:36] Kellee Wynne: Yeah, it is a little, I recognize my own like excitement and dread of that hitting that five zero mark.

Right? I'm so proud of the life I've had and the things I've accomplished and I'm so much more comfortable with who I am as a person. Like, I, I know myself better now. Right? I know myself a lot better than in my twenties. And I definitely have a lot more confidence. But then I also think like, am I using my time to the best of my advantage?

What habits do I have now that I'm still stuck with that I haven't managed to break, not eating right, exercising, staying on my phone too long. And am I really maximizing and living the way that I want to live? Like, I know I want to be working in my business. I love being present for my kids. Cause we have a fun relationship, even if they want to blame everything that they've ever done is on me and dad.

But nonetheless, we're very close. You know, we spend time even though. My oldest moved out. We still spend time together. My husband and I are finally learning how to like each other again. I mean, there's no joke when you were saying marriage is a hell of a lot of work and we're at 25 and we're finally like, oh, we can just go take off and go on a, on a trip somewhere together.

Like there doesn't have to be like an over amount of planning other than can we take time off of work? And it's really changing how we see life now that it can be so much fun at this But it's only going to continue if. I make some good decisions and stay committed to that. My mom's in her 70s now and she's active. She's fit. She can still climb mountains. She spends days gardening and fixing her house. And like, I'm like the only way I'm going to get there and still be moving like her is to keep active now. And so I Take care of this. Yeah, take care of it. So like, what is, back to mindset and blocks, right?

It does. What is holding me back from making those decisions? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm assuming that you deal with people like me all the time, 

[00:50:45] Dr. Minette Riordan: all the time, all the time. In fact, I just created your midlife renaissance program. It's like the wheel of life, but with categories really specific to midlife.

And one of the categories is vitality because I think that the, how we measure energy, that our relationship with our energy is more important than our relationship with our time. 

[00:51:09] Kellee Wynne: There you go. That's a good way of flipping it. Energy versus time. 

[00:51:14] Dr. Minette Riordan: Because I don't know about you. I love what I do.

Right. And it takes a lot of energy to run a business. Right. And I noticed, so I'm post menopausal at this point, we're talking about all the things, right. I don't sleep as well as I used to, my body doesn't function as well. It's harder to lose weight. I love to walk and I saw my primary care doctor.

She's like, you got to add weights, right? Like we got to continue to build muscle because we're losing. It's like, okay, getting stronger means that it increases my vitality, increases how much energy I have to give to the things that matter to me, whether that's my business, my family, my art. Going for longer walks and beautiful.

We live in like one of the most beautiful places in this country. We're 45 minutes from Rocky Mountain National Park. Like it's just even just walking out our front door is beautiful. I want to have the energy to explore. Right. And so if I'm not doing the things to take care of this vessel, then I don't have the energy to give.

I don't want to be like my. stepdad, who, when he retired, spent 10 hours a day sitting on the couch watching TV or twiddling his thumbs like he didn't have any hobbies or interests outside of work. And I don't want that, right? I want, I want to be like your mom and you don't want to be hiking in my seventies, right?

Or like my husband's really into, he's done three iron man triathlons and he loves watching iron man competitions. There's always people in their eighties completing iron man triathlons. I'm like, okay, I don't need to aspire to that. But where's my point of getting myself back on track from just a fitness and health perspective.

So I have the energy to give to all the things that are important, which means I got to pay attention to what they eat, I got to pay attention to how much coffee that I'm drinking, which is like my favorite thing and the one vice that I'm completely unwilling to give up or cut back on. Like, you know, I have to pay attention to how much time I'm sitting versus time I'm moving to like those functional exercises.

I can't remember one of the guys that my husband follows. He said for him when he's 80, he wants to be able to bend over, pick up a grandkid and lift the grandkid up over his head, right? Like he did when you were a young dad. It's like, those are functional core muscles that we have to maintain in order to do that kind of deadlift.

Right. So I love that perspective on energy versus time, right? 

[00:53:46] Kellee Wynne: Right. Because. We honestly, when I really think about it, I'm losing time because I have a lack of energy, 

[00:53:53] Dr. Minette Riordan: correct? Right. End of the day, like, you know, if you're sitting on the couch and you can't move by 4 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon, it's a vitality issue.

[00:54:03] Kellee Wynne: Okay, I love it. What about the other mindset of. Sometimes and I and I try not to really focus on the past or the future too much. I like being present, but sometimes it creeps up and I'm like, I was so cute in my 20s. I was so fit. I had so much potential. And of course, I feel like I've accomplished a lot, but there was just so much like, so what do we do?

And we're like, looking at ourselves and we're like why are you aging? 

How do you come to terms with the fact that. Yeah. I will never be that age again, but I also know that right now, I will never be this age again. 

[00:54:39] Dr. Minette Riordan: Right, right. I think that's such a beautiful question. Again, it's like the starving artist thing.

It's a cultural concept that aging is not okay, right? We live in a culture that constantly bombards us with, with images of youth, the immortal quest for the fountain of youth. Like we're obsessed with looking young and fit. And beautiful. So we are never in a place of acceptance.

So for me, the thing that I work the most on, because self love is like a way far extreme, right, that we simply have to start with acceptance of really, and I love doing mirror work, just looking in the mirror and saying, Oh, there you are. Well, I like that part. You know, my hair is Not too gray yet. Right?

Like, just that noticing this is what it is now because we can't go back. And for me, those kind of regrets are devastating and they have a huge impact on us. Emotionally and physically, because if we're living in the past, then we can't take advantage of the beauty of the moment. Right. And to live in that, you know, for me, it's always about how can I just live in a state of awe and wondering curiosity about what's present now?

And can I be fitter and stronger? Yes. Can I be younger? No, never. Right. So how can I be the best version of me today? And like you said earlier about business as well, I'm the only one who can make that choice. 

[00:56:02] Kellee Wynne: Right. I'm the common denominator in the success of everything in my life. Yeah, I think that's 

[00:56:13] Dr. Minette Riordan: I'm a big fan of Tara Brock's work on radical acceptance.

And I think, you know, it's so important to just focus on. Accepting what is because when we accept what is without shame or blame, then we can change, right? When we're looking back or we're in a shame cycle, right? As Brene Brown would say, right, then we cannot move ourselves forward and we get really stuck.

We get really stuck. So I think it's self acceptance is always that first step to just embracing really the wholeness of who we are. Seeing and then we can see what else is possible and we can see what else is possible. You get excited again, you get curious, you get, you can access your creativity again, even if that creativity is being put towards.

I want to run a marathon or I, or I want to write a book or I want to start a business, it doesn't matter. But when we're in the past judgment shame. We don't have any access to our own creativity. 

[00:57:14] Kellee Wynne: Yeah, this is true or even the ability to show up completely in order to. Run the business or make the art or be a good partner to your husband like yeah I see that happening with myself from time to time, too.

Yeah, I'm really glad I've gotten to that point where mindset is starting to get easier for me so that I can Face the challenges of business, even the challenges of motherhood or wifehood or daughterhood or whatever else, which time of my life, but the mindset around the business, like, once I broke through some barriers of what was possible and what was.

Didn't need to be deemed either starving artist or bad that an artist would make money because we live in this dichotomy. 

[00:58:00] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yes, we do. 100%. Oh, so much judgment. So much creative and spiritual teachers both really struggle with that. Right. 

[00:58:09] Kellee Wynne: And it's very hard because you know that like, you would never question a doctor making money.

[00:58:15] Dr. Minette Riordan: Right? No. And they're a plumber. Plumbers make great money. They 

[00:58:20] Kellee Wynne: do. I told my kids, you know, you could study to be an electrician. They make over 100 an hour, you know, for sure. But yeah, so we don't ever question that. But that means that we have to come back to the point of realizing that we're adding real value.

To the world, you know, and to the people who either experience our business or experience our writing or experience our painting or whatever there's real value in what we're adding to the world. And so then that comes back to definitely learning that we have self worth, which is part of my made remarkable philosophy is that we don't have to become anything.

We are already remarkable, which means we need to lean into those things that make us who we are. And use them to our advantage. Figure out, like you said, you love to help people get clarity. And that's really where, one of my passions as well with, one element of my business, which really helps you define, like, where is your strength and where's your expertise and where's your, how do you want to design your life to build a business that actually works for you rather than works against you.


[00:59:23] Dr. Minette Riordan: 100 percent that clarity is the key. We can't move forward without that. So true. And I love that about, you know, it's like we're born with self worth. We don't have to strive for that or struggle for it. And I think it was Tony Robbins that said, our core wound, every human being's core wound is that we're unlovable.

Right, and that I think when we recognize that, oh, where in my life do I feel unlovable or unworthy, then we can move forward from that. Right? And I think we can move forward faster simply by acknowledging it. And I'm not talking about doing decades of therapy. I'm not talking about, you know, having to relive all the traumas of our lives, although there's value for that.

I don't know about you. I've had lots of therapy and lots of coaching of all kinds over the years. I always have a coach. Myself as a coach, I think it's essential that, you know, I stay at the top of my game, but I think that, you know, this is where I love art is processed because it can help us just witness that part of us that feels unlovable and then love it.

Right. Again, we're a common denominator. We can't expect anyone else to love us if we don't love ourselves, so I think we're always coming back to that place of just acknowledging, I am deserving, I am worthy, I am lovable, just as I am, I don't need to be young, I don't need to be fit, I don't need to be picasso or O'Keefe, right? Like, I just need to be me and I think it's been beaten out of us or into us or whatever that it's not okay, right, to just be ourselves. And I think the more that we can come back, like I said, to that place of radical acceptance of, like, I'm okay as I am. And this is why I love working with women in midlife, especially in their fifties and sixties, because we just don't give a shit anymore.

Like we've worked hard enough to let go, right? Most of my clients are past the midlife crisis stage and they're not quite at the Renaissance stage, but they're in that murky middle of, okay, I don't need all of this anymore. But I don't really know where I'm going either, right? Like so, I don't know about you guys, but the last five years, you're not quite there yet, right?

Of in that soupy murky middle of midlife going, okay, this isn't quite it. Maybe it's that. And I want to shorten, it's like you with your business coaching, how can we shorten the game for people? Right. That you don't have to spend the decades that we spent struggling as entrepreneurs or struggling as women.

How can we help people move and shorten that journey? How 

[01:01:55] Kellee Wynne: do you find the people that you've worked with once they start unlocking that mindset and, and. And finding self worth, how do you feel like that really changes their life, especially the ones who are entrepreneurs or run a business and, and any sense, like what kind of level up like, in the gameplay, like, 

[01:02:16] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yeah, you know, it's ownership, I think is the, it's ownership of self ownership of genius, ownership of responsibility, right?

 It's like, okay. I'm the one that gets to make this happen. I choose to make this happen. So I think recognizing that they're not being buffeted around, but they're always at choice. Right. One of my highest values is freedom of choice and the consciousness that we always have the freedom to choose, right?

At least in this culture and for me if women can start to see if they can get clear about their values clear about their Expertise clear about the contribution they want to make right and then they can look at why are they afraid to take the first step? And what I found is all they need is to take that first step.

Remember in the Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom when he's got to walk across the chasm, there's no bridge, right? That's one of my favorite scenes ever. Like, that's how we live is so often as I think entrepreneurs and older women is we're on the edge of that precipice. And we have to let go of any doubt that the bridge will appear.

We'll take that step. And so for me, what I see is the growth in confidence and the growth in, oh, this is my thing. All these other things over here are fun, but this is my contribution to make, whether that's to my family, my community, right, or the world at large. Right. So, you know, like I'm working with a business owner right now and just.

Helping her get past the beliefs that her time management sucks, it doesn't. What her biggest challenge is, and we discovered this through painting, not through business coaching, was she struggles to make a decision because so many people told her she couldn't earn her whole life. And that she just needed to come back to a place of confidence in trusting her own decision making process.

Once she can do that, then everything else became easier.

[01:04:09] Kellee Wynne: I love that. So many good takeaways. So what I hear after this whole conversation is, is mindset comes first before business and marketing before growth, before health, before great relationships, we have to come back to mindset, our purpose, and who we are right 

[01:04:29] Dr. Minette Riordan: here in our support.

Yes. Wonderful. 

[01:04:33] Kellee Wynne: So you have a program that I think sounds really fun. The way you named it midlife Renaissance. 

[01:04:39] Dr. Minette Riordan: Yeah. It's called Your Midlife Renaissance. It's a year long program designed to help women navigate that murky middle and get to clarity. So it's part creative process, part group coaching, a lot of journaling and introspection, just.

Taking them through. I have a signature process, a nine step process of just helping us reconnect to our voice, our vision, our values, our purpose, our passion, and to put a plan in place and then to actually implement the plan. Because planning for creatives is really fun. It's the implementation of the plans that's, not so fun.

And I have women with thriving careers. I have therapists in the programs. I have stay at home moms in the program. I have newly retired. So I have a really broad variety and I have women from their 40s to their 70s in the program as well. every age. And you know what they're wanting the most is that community and that supportive safe place to come.

Like I had a sales call this week and she's like, I have these big decisions to face. We need to sell our house. I need to decide what to do with my business. She's been a therapist for 40 years, right? I need some place I can feel like I can come and talk about. These big decisions that are looming on the horizon.

And so I think just like with your business group coaching, what we're longing for the most right now is a safe place to come and talk about all the share. 

[01:06:06] Kellee Wynne: with people who understand what we're 

[01:06:07] Dr. Minette Riordan: going through. Yeah. Yeah. Who've been there who walked that path. Yep. Yeah, for sure. 

[01:06:12] Kellee Wynne: So where can people find 

[01:06:14] Dr. Minette Riordan: you?

Yeah. Awesome. So on Instagram, Facebook, pretty much everywhere. I'm Dr. Minette Riordan. So I'm really easy to find just about everywhere. And all of my programs, uh, one on one coaching and retreats can be found at minette. teachable. com. That's one N two T's minette. teachable. com is a great place to, to see what I'm up to currently.


[01:06:37] Kellee Wynne: everyone can go to our show notes and they will be able to find all this information to connect with you. I like to end my conversations asking one really fun question. What is your big audacious dream? 

[01:06:52] Dr. Minette Riordan: My big audacious dream is to write a New York Times bestselling book. Oh, there you go. And to have Elizabeth Gilbert write the introduction or the premise to the book.

[01:07:05] Kellee Wynne: You just put it out there, into the world, let all the muses hear and let it be done. Fabulous. Thank you so much, Minette. This has been a great conversation. 

[01:07:16] Dr. Minette Riordan: Thank you so much for having me. It's great getting to know you through all of these different conversations that we're having. Ton of fun. Thank you.

[01:07:22] Kellee Wynne: Thank you. 

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