The Power of Vulnerability in a Creative Business with Jackie Schomburg

[00:00:00] Made Remarkable Intro: Welcome back. And thanks for tuning into the made remarkable podcast, hosted by Kelly Winn. In today's episode, Kelly is talking with Jackie Schomburg, a powerful workshop leader and artist to discuss finding fulfillment in a career facing vulnerability and the brilliance of Jackie's brave art and creative wellness workshops. 

Jackie shares her journey of becoming unstuck from her corporate job. The motivation behind starting her workshops and the profound connections created within her art community. Kelly and Jackie also discussed some of Jackie's biggest takeaways from participating in Kelly's build a remarkable program. Check out the show notes and transcripts for more information about Jackie. Exclusive promotional offers and any special links mentioned during the episode. Kelly loves connecting with us centers. 

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[00:01:09] Kellee Wynne: Well, hello. Hello. I'm Kelly Wynn, artist, author, mentor, fiercely independent mother and wife, and the founder of a multiple six figure creative business. And I love my life, but I've been where you're at. I was slogging away at this art business thing for more than a decade. Once I finally connected with my true calling, unlock the magic of marketing and built a system that could scale, while I realize I can make an impact and make a substantial income, I'm finally running a business that I love and it makes all the.

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Well, good morning, Jackie. 

[00:01:57] Jackie Schomburg: Good morning, Kelly. How are you?

[00:01:59] Kellee Wynne: I'm good. I'm really excited to be able to talk to you because I just saw something remarkable in what you were doing, so I thought we'd have you on the podcast and discuss.

[00:02:08] Jackie Schomburg: Wonderful. I'm so happy to be here. 

[00:02:10] Kellee Wynne: Well, I think the first thing to do is to start by introducing yourself, like who you are, what you do and Why you're here. 

[00:02:18] Jackie Schomburg: So I'm Jackie Schomburg Meinen. I go by Jackie Schomburg for all of my art business things. I do two things. I'm an abstract mixed media artist. I do a lot of collage.

I do a lot of bright colors. I love a good rainbow color, even though I'm trying to make it look exactly like a rainbow. It's like an abstract rainbow color situation, but lots of bright colors. And they also lead workshops that help people get unstuck. So wherever they are in life, If you're stuck in, like, the wrong career, if you're stuck because you're caretaking and you have no time for yourself, if you're stuck because you're a new mom and you're always up at four in the morning and no one else is awake and you don't know what to do with yourself, there are so many times in life that.

I personally tune out because I don't want to hear all the thoughts in my head because, they're complicated. So I will put in, you know, a podcast in my ear all the time, or I will always have something playing on TV just so it's background noise to filter things out. this workshop has allowed me And a lot of other people to take time to actually hear the thoughts and just to make art, which is what we do.

We focus on that and we just move things around. This is called process art. So it's not that we're all painting the same bowl of fruit. There's no expectation of what you make. This is not a traditional art class. It's much more about, honoring your own desires and following your intuition. So if I look at the colors I have, and I say, I'm going to pick green today, I'm just going to scribble with green.

My first thought might be, Ooh, green looks cool. My second thought might be, Oh, but I never use green. I should pick a different color. No, we're trying to remind ourselves. To just stop with that first gut, ooh, green, and then leave all the other commentary aside. So it's a practice. The more you do it, the easier it gets to just kind of cut yourself off with the first, urge you use green for a while.

And then you pick something else. And you're the goal is to to listen to yourself and not to think about the shoulds. I shouldn't be doing this. I should be doing laundry. I should be, you know, tidying something up. I should be working harder at my job, even though I don't like it. I should be doing all these things.

So it's really a reminder and a really an opportunity to reconnect with yourself and we do some writing. We, uh, there's an optional sharing portion. Where people can share what they've written, but the magic of this workshop that I've found, at least the magic for me, is one hearing everyone else share their own thoughts and feelings because they're only allowed to share what they've written, they don't have to share all of it.

So you hear that everyone else also is like, I don't know why I don't want to go to Aunt Linda's party. I just don't want to go. You're like, gosh, like I bought the new swimsuit and I hate the new swimsuit and I don't want to wear it, but I have a vacation tomorrow and all of the inner thoughts that we all have.

That we forget that we're not the only ones who think those thoughts. There's so many overlapping stories that are told. 1 of the other magic points is that there's a no comment rule. So no one at any point in the class is going to say, Oh, green, really?

But we're all adults, right? We normally adults know enough not to say that, but adults are also not going to say, I love that green. It's amazing. That was such a good choice. Because what if I said that to you and you were just about to color over it? Or put a big collage piece over it because you were like, this green isn't working now.

All of a sudden, I'm back up in my head. Well, Kelly's Kelly's an artist. She said that the green was good. Should I leave the green? Right. And it goes back to trusting yourself and only hearing from yourself and listening to yourself exclusively because we rarely do. At least in my life, I realized that unless I take time for it, I just don't do that.

[00:06:31] Kellee Wynne: It's so true. We are always filtering everyone else's voices, all the voices in our mind from our entire life's history, the shoulds and the shouldn'ts, and I should always do something more productive. And I love that you've provided, like a program, a workshop that people can work through where they're at right now.

So that they can learn to trust themselves or even just give themselves permission to enjoy something in life. 

[00:06:57] Jackie Schomburg: Absolutely. It's all about play. It's all about fun. And there are people who have every emotion in the, in the gamut, right? So people are going through grief and they're grieving and it's an, it's a safe place because no one's going to talk about it afterwards.

And because it's, it's like a little compartment in the day, right? It's a safe boundary that, okay, we're going to be with this for the next hour and a half, two hours. And then I'll go on, because even for myself, sometimes, right? Everyone talks about feeling your feelings, which does sound really scary.

And if 

[00:07:28] Kellee Wynne: you're kidding me, I avoid them at all costs, just like you. 

[00:07:32] Jackie Schomburg: Exactly. So if I'm sitting there thinking, boy, I'm really, really sad about this thing. Cause I was excluded and I'm really feeling bad about it. I'm just going to sit here and ponder. No, because for me, even if I say, I'm going to put a time limit on it.

It still feels like it's going to be indefinite. Like, I'm going to spend 15 hours here. I'm going to be crying and throwing popcorn across the room or something. I don't know. But when it's this little window of time you're with other people, even though I do most of my workshops on zoom, there's safety in numbers to some extent.

And the most of my workshops right now are very small groups. So I offer a free workshop ahead of my regular workshops so people can try it out. And I then have groups that are like five people. Maybe 7 people so that we meet for 5 weeks in a row and you get to feel even safer with these people because you realize that no one has slammed down their laptop and said, Oh, my gosh, your thoughts are so ridiculous and unreasonable.

Right? And not that we consciously fear that, but I do think on some level. We're afraid of that and there's this love among strangers. And even me, I mean, I do this partially because I want to help other people work through their stuff and partially because it's so healing to me too, because you leave feeling loved by people you've never met, will never meet, right?

But people from Australia and Germany and all these places around the world. 


And. I would never meet them any other way. This is one of the beautiful things about zoom that, you know, social media, you can say all the good and bad things about technology, but I will always love this for connecting people.

So it's been really, really, really amazing beyond my expectations. 

[00:09:20] Kellee Wynne: So when you're speaking about how you get so much out of it, that's when you know you're on the right path. That's how I feel every time that I get to show up for other people and see them grow and change and have those lightbulb moments or whatever, creating community, creating friendships.

And you're just like, okay, this is more than just work. This is a calling and it's, it's enriching me. As much as it's enriching them. So I, I light up every time I get to show up and help other people. And that's when you know, you've hit the gold, right? Is that it feels so good. You would even want to do it for free, although we're in business.

So we don't necessarily do it for free or we can't sustain ourselves. But that's when, you know, like finally, you know, that we've given up the nine to five or something so much more enriching. 

[00:10:12] Jackie Schomburg: Yes. Yes. And you know, it's interesting because I, so flashback 10, 15 years ago, I was working in a corporate job, working in financial services companies, high stress, issuing stock to different employees and executives.

So my job is to be perfect. No one likes receiving the wrong amount of stock, especially when they're executives and it's all public filings and everything else. So my job was to be perfect, but of course I'm still a human. I'm not perfect. So it was this constant fight of be perfect. Be perfect. Oh my gosh, I made a mistake.

And I was not handling it. Well, it was not a good fit for me. I was good at my job, but it took so much out of me. because I was so worried about disappointing someone or screwing something up. And I found this class, uh, at a place called Open Studio Project in Evanston, Illinois, which is a little bit South of me.

And they taught this process that I teach in my workshops and I loved it. It was like a two hour vacation. Every time it was, 

[00:11:14] Kellee Wynne: it 

[00:11:15] Jackie Schomburg: was amazing. And I like clean off the slate. I felt lighter leaving. You And I ended up staying on for a few years in the classes. And then I became a facilitator trained through them.

And I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with that after I got those credentials. And then of course I had three kids time passes COVID. And I kept thinking in my head, I'd read the playing big book. I can't remember the author's name right now. And I, in my head, I always knew that I was like, I was like, do the workshops online, do them online.

And in my head, of course, I was like, no, that seems pretty scary. Camera, I have to learn zoom. I have to do all these things. Maybe something else. And I tried to put it off. And. It was scary to start, but the, unfortunately, one of the catalysts was, this is a trigger warning. One of the catalysts to me being brave enough to do it was, a really, really good family friend of ours, took her life.

Oh, and she had been depressed for a while. And I don't know, it's, it's, I will never probably, fully accept that it happened, but I know it happened. She was a person who was just like, a joy to be around, so much fun, had access to tons of opportunities. Any door in the world could have been open for her and she couldn't see it.

Right. So it has nothing to do with how much money you have or your position in life or anything else. And all I could think was if she couldn't see it and she couldn't see the possibility, what chances are for the rest of us? 

[00:12:53] Kellee Wynne: Right. Right. 

[00:12:54] Jackie Schomburg: And I thought, no, I need to do this because I need to give people a place to process stuff that it's scary.

That's, maybe even too excited. Maybe someone's getting married and they're really excited, but overwhelmed. Right. Whatever the emotion is, that's hard. I wanted to make sure that people had a place to do it. And that's when I started my free workshop, because I wanted to make sure that everyone could at least have access to it and learn the process.

And it has been such a gift to me to do it. And. Other people have said it's a gift to them too. 

[00:13:28] Kellee Wynne: I love that so much. It is a gift for sure, Jackie. So you didn't really start until after the good old pandemic shut us all down, and you had a nudge, a sign, something that said you can't wait any longer.

This is your calling, which I'm a huge, huge proponent for when we Maybe take some time to make art and get clear. We can see that we were given gifts and callings in this world that we're meant to serve and do for other people that bring us joy and whether that's. Are on somebody's wall or teaching someone or helping someone through a process, whatever it is that you do.

I'm a big proponent of leaning in on what makes you remarkable, which is why I named the podcast made remarkable. It's it's in you already and I'm glad that you brought it to light and I think. Pandemic really pushed a lot of us to start looking at our life that way, to start saying, what am I contributing?

Am I happy with what I'm doing? Does it matter? Is it serving me, my family, the community? Is it like really heading me in the right direction? So a lot of people got online and started creating things when they saw the opportunity. However, after a couple of years, World starts opening back up and everyone's getting back out into the world and everything that was so easy in 2020 and 2021 started getting harder again for those building creative businesses, which I put those pieces together.

Like for me, I still was able to grow because I had a long history before the pandemic of building my business. And what lights me up is being able to help people like you, who said, okay, I have this calling. I want to get out in front of more people. How do I do it? So that's why I created Build It Remarkable and my Remarkable Programs.

You participated in Build It Remarkable in the fall, and that was my beta run of the accelerated version. So it was a little rough around the edges. 

[00:15:28] Jackie Schomburg: Not even though, not as rough as you would think. I mean, you're, you're, you're not giving yourself enough credit. 

[00:15:33] Kellee Wynne: Well, I didn't have fancy polished videos.

What I did was show up and teach from my heart. And that's how I like to do things the best, because I know I'm connecting with people on the other end of this remarkable thing called zoom. And 40 people in the program. It was so much fun. And I saw a lot of growth for a lot of people. Some as usual dropped off.

But you took it to heart and you did implement some of the things along the way that we discussed. we went through a few really important key components. It's really focused on making decisions, your strategy and structure and your marketing, right? And so most people who came to Build It Remarkable had some Questions about where they wanted to go.

They needed clarity. You have some moments of that, but what I'm really glad is, is that you stuck with the path you were already on, teaching these very personal, intuitive, therapeutic art workshops. What's happened since Build It Remarkable? What were your biggest takeaways and where has your business grown since then?

[00:16:37] Jackie Schomburg: One thing that was the main hang up that I had was marketing. I don't like salesy things, right? I don't like the, Oh, if you don't act now, I'm going to take the whole offer away. So I had a really like a mental or a mindset block on that. And I felt like it was just shameless self promotion.

And I'm more of an introvert anyway, so I don't like people being like, Hey, look at me. So going through your, build a remarkable program was so helpful in clarifying. One that I'm trying to serve people. I'm not trying to pull a fast one and take something away from people.

I literally am trying to help people's lives improve. And in order to do that, I need to tell them that I'm doing the thing. 

[00:17:26] Kellee Wynne: Right. So 

[00:17:27] Jackie Schomburg: I call my, my workshops, my brave art and creative wellness workshops, because it takes a lot of bravery to show up as yourself. Like you do, which is one of the reasons that I'm attracted to you and your art and everything else is because you show up as yourself.

I do the same thing because I had to pretend when I was working in corporate, that I was super interested in, you know, all the things that made my job hard and I'm just done pretending. I don't want to pretend. So. Whether you like me or not, this is who I am. And I can show up as 

[00:18:01] Kellee Wynne: myself. We like you, don't worry Jackie, we like you a lot.

Thank you. 

[00:18:06] Jackie Schomburg: And if I show up as myself, I like to think that I'm helping others to show up as themselves. And I'm gonna get on my soapbox a little bit. I think the more that we can all, as a human species, show up as ourselves and just be who we are and embrace that, versus trying to pretend that we're something better, whatever better is to us.

I just think that we've gotten so far away from who we are and our values because we're pretending to like something that someone else is also pretending to like. 

[00:18:38] Kellee Wynne: Right. It's a vicious cycle of expectation and performance. Yeah. It's this big control game. Yeah. What happens when we lean into being more of ourselves and like you said, allowing other people to be more of themselves.

Yeah. We don't have to take everything so personally. Yeah. And then we're like you said, you connect with the people who it resonates with. Yeah. So important is that idea that marketing doesn't ever have marketing and sales doesn't ever have to be scammy. Sleazy or predatory. Mm-Hmm. what It's is service.

And that is. Deep part of what I teach because when we get to the point of a heart centered message, what we're doing is connecting with the people who need us. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And then when we do that, it feels good. And we can show up more and we can talk about it more. And what I hear is also from your message that you sent me an email is that your workshops are now selling out.

[00:19:34] Jackie Schomburg: Yes, yes, which was awesome. First time that I think I had, I had two workshops sell out and actually added a third workshop, which was amazing. And part of what I'm going to be doing going forward that I'm really excited about, because I work with small groups, I don't have enough hours in the day.

To make a living, honestly, off of a bunch of small groups, 

[00:19:59] Kellee Wynne: right? 

[00:20:00] Jackie Schomburg: They're my favorite thing because you do get to have this intimate interaction with people that become safe people to you, even though they're strangers, 

[00:20:10] Kellee Wynne: right? 

[00:20:11] Jackie Schomburg: I'm going to be doing, in the summer as I'm starting off with, uh, Slightly different model.

I'm going to be having a lot of people who can come into the same group. So maybe up to 100 people. I'm going to lower the price so that people who really want to join, but can't afford to do the small group workshops. They'll have a much lower price point so that hopefully anyone who wants to join can come.

I initially started out with a small groups thinking that people wouldn't want to share. Intimate thoughts and feelings with strangers in a big group. And as I've been doing my free workshops, they've been growing and growing and growing. And my last one, I had almost a hundred people in it.

And people were still sharing their writing and people were still opening up. And I was like, wow, these people, Really are brave because if I was doing something for the first time, I'm not sure I would share in front of a hundred people, you know, my deepest vulnerabilities and some people at the point of tears, and It's just a very vulnerable, true, authentic thing, but I was like, well, since they're willing to share in the free workshop. Maybe they want to be in a five week long workshop because then get even more benefits and the people who aren't ready to share yet can still benefit from having the accountability to show up to hear everyone else's stories, which I think are just as valuable as sharing your own because it reminds you that we are all connected.

We are all overlapped so much more than we're different. 

[00:21:37] Kellee Wynne: You know what, that's why memes are so popular. Because we read them and we're like, Oh, I'm not the only one who thinks that right. And when you get in a group, when you have one or two brave people share, it opens up the hearts of everyone else.

Yes. So, in order to grow these, Programs that you're doing, and I love that you're starting to differentiate. So when I talk about finding a niche and building a business model that's simple, it doesn't mean we only have just one thing, because like you said, a small group might be a little bit higher price point than other people can afford, but it's also.

More labor intensive and you make less money off of it as an, as an individual teacher. So creating larger groups makes it easier for you to bring and welcome more people into your process. You, in order for that to happen, though, you have to grow your audience, your leads, communicate with more people.

What are the things that you've implemented and done in order to grow your marketing efforts? Because at the very final core of what I do and build it remarkable, we design. Marketing plans and ways in which we can grow our business.

So for you, I know you chose YouTube and you've been doing YouTube and having far more success with it than Instagram. But some of the other things that we talk about is implementing a really good list building strategy and consistency for showing up. And obviously the like number one key is how you talk to your customers, which you've already discussed.

[00:23:05] Jackie Schomburg: Mm hmm. So I came in to build it remarkable knowing that I've, I really have had a great experience on YouTube. I started it a little bit over two years ago. And again, I was terrified. I didn't want to be on video. And. I have had so much fun making YouTube videos. And then initially I thought, well, maybe I'll do this and I'll point some people toward my Instagram.

No, at this point I'm using Instagram to put people toward my YouTube unity there is so warm and so. supportive and interactive comments, people saying so many nice things, very few, if any, trolls, which I've really appreciated. I'm sure also well, hopefully the people that I'm attracting, people, other people who are cranky and just want to complain are not going to be following my videos.

Don't be too annoyed too quickly. but I've grown, you know, in two years, I'm almost at 15, 000 subscribers, which blows my mind. It's so reassuring to know that other people, again, it's the same with me. It's nice to know that other people feel the same way that I do. Right. It's the same thing that I'm, I'm teaching.

I'm also learning. It's really, really about connection. Okay. And people have connected with what I do. I do a lot of, art tutorials on my YouTube channel. So I'm painting. I really like to get myself in situations where I'm stuck and try to figure out how to get unstuck. So I take old paintings that I've found that are. half disastrous and half, eh, okay, but I haven't moved forward on any of them. And I say, okay, today's the day let's, rip off the Band Aid and cover half of this with turquoise. And then I'll start going from there and see what happens. And it's really fun because it gives me enough positive peer pressure to know that I gotta figure this out.

Well, I don't have to, I mean, people are fine if I don't, but I really want to figure it out so that I can push forward. any of my hesitations and be brave and show up and do the thing that I'm saying everyone should be doing. I really try to own that myself and I do end up with art that I never would have made otherwise because I would have let that painting sit on the shelf for another five years.

[00:25:28] Kellee Wynne: Well, it's great because they see you're in a vulnerable place. As artists, especially looking, or even those who are starting art, looking at another artist and we see only their success, we don't realize how much there's a struggle. So I like that parallel of you going through the struggle of finishing work, but also the struggle of who we are and our perfectionism and getting over it and trusting ourselves and our intuition.

So that's a good, like a comparable to your workshops versus how you paint. And how you show up online, where do you see the biggest growth moving forward for you? Are you working on your email list? Cause that's one of my big rules. I'm like, you got a niche, you got to pick a customer and a, and a direction so that you can speak to them clearly.

It's very clear. You have that. You've got to build the email list and you've got to show up. So it looks like you're doing a pretty good job with some of the most important principles. 

[00:26:25] Jackie Schomburg: Thank you. I am. I am. Yes, I am definitely showing up. I am building my list. However, I'm still not great at sending out newsletters.

So I'm working on that. I always tell people, like, I promise they won't spam me with anything because I really won't send you that many emails. I'm going to get better. I want to do it. 

[00:26:45] Kellee Wynne: They want to hear you. They want to hear what you're saying right now because You know that audience. They've missed you on Instagram.

They forgot to watch the videos, but when they see you in the inbox, they're going to be like, what juicy thing does Jackie have to share with me today? 

[00:27:00] Jackie Schomburg: Yes, that is true. And I often, when I do write them, which I'm going to be doing more often, I really write them from the heart and it's, some might call it rambling, but I like to think of it as just really showing up and again, authentically being who I am, because that's the only thing I know how to offer.

I don't know how to offer something that I can't also try to do. I can't say I can nail it every time. If I'm actively working to, to be even more my authentic self, then that's what I can offer. One of the really interesting things from the workshop, we do do some writing and I've, are you a journaler by habit at all?

[00:27:41] Kellee Wynne: A little secret. My journal is my Instagram feed. 

[00:27:46] Jackie Schomburg: My baby book for my kids is my Facebook, my personal Facebook, so

[00:27:50] Kellee Wynne: I know right we get there, but no, I'm not much of a journal or even though I've said that I would do it for a really long time. 

[00:27:58] Jackie Schomburg: Here's what I've learned about journaling, even when it's only in like a workshop that I do.

When I take something that stuck in my head. That's been churning in my head. I think it's truth. Okay. When it's only in my head, I'm thinking like, yeah, I do need to lose weight. I do need to do all these things for the school. I do need to do these other things. When I start writing things down, I see in black and white, I need to lose weight.

Someone won't want me at their party because I'm, and I'm like, what? Right. I see like this black and white thing and it helps me get perspective. When things are out of my head on paper, now I'm a little bit distance. And I can say, that is ridiculous. Who, what? I would never be like, Oh, you can't come to my party.

Cause you've gained a little weight, you know? No, who cares? And so when I can see it from that perspective, I'm like, Oh, right. That's just a thought I'm thinking. It doesn't mean it's the truth. And then at the end of the set, so people can just, we just free write as part of the, the workshop. And then at the end of the workshop, when you have an opportunity to share saying it out loud.

Is a bit more vulnerable for sure, but also it's another step back and now we call it witness writing the free writing and it's not necessarily be so that I can witness you and what you've said, although we bet is part of it. It's more that I can witness myself because now I'm reading a piece of paper that I have thought written down.

And now I'm saying. I need to lose weight before I go to this party. And I'm like, Oh, now it's completely ridiculous. Right. Helps you see and examine the thoughts that we forget. Everything in our mind isn't truth. And exactly. Don't believe the thoughts in your head. Yeah. And so when we're feeling like this is this feeling that feels terrible is never going to end.

Really? Probably it will end. It just feels like that right now, right? 

[00:29:58] Kellee Wynne: What's the evidence you have in your life already that eventually it will end? 

[00:30:02] Jackie Schomburg: Yeah. Yeah. And it really is this, you know, I say magic a lot. I don't like using the word magic because I think that, you know, whatever, but there is something magical that happens when you get a group of people all willing To go a level deeper and to look at themselves and to share parts of themselves for the betterment of the group so that we all can connect with each other and be like, Oh my gosh, I didn't say that, but I totally think that too.

I totally have had moments like that. And I thought I was the only one. And it's such a cliche, but it's a cliche for a reason, because we all, for some reason, still think we're the only one, or that we're the exception, but we're not. We're not. 

[00:30:48] Kellee Wynne: And that's the power of working in community, which just brings it back to, I'm really glad that you've leaned in to what makes You great at what you do and that you've expanded a bit because I do remember at the very beginning, you're like, I don't think I can do this on a larger scale, but the truth of the matter is you can.

And I'm glad you're seeing it. I'm glad you're opening up the doors to your program to a wider audience. So people should for sure go find you on YouTube first and foremost, which is Jackie Schomburg, Jackie Schomburg art. Jackie Schoenberg art and also on Instagram as well and get to know Jackie a little bit better and if you have any questions about Jackie's experience with Build It Remarkable, you don't have to come ask me if it was right.

You can even ask somebody else to see if it's going to be right for you. I'm up for anything. Full transparency and honesty about your takeaways, your experience, how you see yourself moving forward. And I am really glad that the, one of the most important things for me, as I teach marketing and sales skills and structure for a business to creatives that don't naturally love to market and sell is that.

We can turn it into a service and it doesn't have to be uncomfortable or slimy or sleazy. And once we have clarity, it's so much easier to talk from our heart to the person that the message is supposed to land on. 

[00:32:15] Jackie Schomburg: Yes, and that really was. a transformational thing for me going through that program because it made it like there was just some, right.

I've heard before, like you need to tell people that you're doing the thing so that they can do the thing. And I got it intellectually. I understand marketing intellectually, but I still didn't understand how it applied to me. And I feel like you. Just your access accessibility and kind of understanding each of our projects and what we're trying to do was really helpful and like the coaching calls, but also it just having you with all of your experience and all of your artistic endeavors that you've done and are still doing really helped.

Make it. It seems like it should transfer and it does transfer lots of ways, but I've taken other marketing classes and they didn't hit the same as this did. So this really helped me and I'm so appreciative because now when I share things, I don't feel like, Hey, guys, I'm so sorry to bother you.

I'm not apologizing for it because I'm getting used to it. I'm practicing. Hey, this is this thing I do. Come on and check it out. It's free. If you don't like it, you can just sign off. , right? 

[00:33:32] Kellee Wynne: There's, I wanna take it personally. That's a huge empowerment though, and I'm really thank, thank you first. I'm really glad that it hit right.

But yes, I have walked the same path as my clients, so that helps. Yeah, and I do understand how you feel intimately. Like you understand your client intimately. And once you understand that and you talk to the heart of that, everything changes. And you can show up and just like the thing that you're most passionate about can just ooze out of you and then people will be like, I want more of that.

And I can hear it in your voice. I can hear how you talk about, you know, how it changes people's lives. You know what the end result is for them and for you and how much better the world is. I always say the world just needs more happy artists and we're going to be so much better. 

[00:34:19] Jackie Schomburg: Right? Absolutely.

Absolutely. I have yet to find something that art doesn't make better. 

[00:34:25] Kellee Wynne: Exactly. So thank you so much for coming on my podcast and for being part of Build It Remarkable. And I hope everyone goes and not only finds you on Instagram, but find you on YouTube and enjoys watching your process. And maybe it's time for them to let go of the perfectionism and the shoulds and the must dos and All the little negative talk and go through an amazing process with Jackie and her workshops.

[00:34:51] Jackie Schomburg: Awesome. Thank you so much, Kelly. 

[00:34:52] Kellee Wynne: Thank you. 

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